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		<title>How the &#8220;neutrality&#8221; debate has evolved</title>
		<link>http://www.cabletechtalk.com/cable-companies/comcast/2008/08/06/how-the-neutrality-debate-has-evolved/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rodriguez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this week, Google&#8217;s Chief Internet Evangelist Vint Cerf said something that brightened my day. &#8230;the real question for today&#8217;s broadband networks is not whether they need to be managed, but rather how. We couldn&#8217;t agree more, since I&#8217;ve expressed that same sentiment once or twice or thrice. Network managers know that networks need to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this week, Google&#8217;s Chief Internet Evangelist <a href="http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2008/08/whats-reasonable-approach-for-managing.html">Vint Cerf said something that brightened my day</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p> &#8230;the real question for today&#8217;s broadband networks is not whether they need to be managed, but rather how.</p></blockquote>
<p>We couldn&#8217;t agree more, since I&#8217;ve expressed that same sentiment <a href="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/cable-companies/comcast/2008/07/28/solving-network-challenges/">once</a> or <a href="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/broadband/2008/07/23/how-to-manage-network-management/">twice</a> or <a href="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/ncta-actions/2008/07/16/consideration-like-an-angel-came/">thrice</a>. Network managers know that networks need to be managed. Cerf even explained why:</p>
<blockquote><p> Network capacity (bits per second or data rate) is a  limiting factor in all communications networks. Users cannot send  traffic faster than the amount of network capacity available to them.  But when users&#8217; aggregate demand exceeds the available capacity of the  network, network operators naturally seek to manage the traffic  loads&#8230; The end result is the potential for traffic congestion,  leading to service delays and even outages for consumers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cerf then goes on to discuss various methods, such as transmission rate caps, low latency  prioritization and bandwidth constraints, but they&#8217;re all based on that  phrase: &#8220;&#8230;not <strong>whether</strong> [networks] need to be managed, but rather <em><strong>how</strong></em>.&#8221; <em>[Emphasis added.]</em> I take great interest in these remarks, because I&#8217;ve been following his arguments over the last couple years.</p>
<p>For example, back on June 13 of 2006, he appeared on  Public Radio&#8217;s <em><a href="http://wamu.org/programs/kn/">The Kojo Nnamdi Show</a></em>.  You can <a href="http://wamu.org/programs/kn/06/06/13.php#10867">find that episode online</a>;  if you skip ahead to about 23 minutes in, you can hear Cerf speak of  net neutrality for a few minutes. At that time, he argued that innovation will be  stifled and users will not be able to freely access content unless the  Internet is kept &#8220;open and neutral.&#8221; He said that the government may  need to provide protection. Two years later, it&#8217;s unclear what innovation was stifled.</p>
<p>By October of 2007, Cerf was speaking of other concerns, such as at his address at  <a href="http://www.webbyawards.com/webbyconnect/">the WebbyConnect conference</a>, which I attended. He said in his speech that “net neutrality” as  a phrase has been distorted and that he would clarify what Google was  asking for.</p>
<ul>
<li>It’s okay to charge for higher capacity.</li>
<li>It’s okay to address denial of service attacks, viruses and so on.</li>
<li>It’s okay to provide low latency services.</li>
<li>As long as all of these practices are done in a non-discriminatory fashion.</li>
</ul>
<p>Even at this point, Cerf was arguing that network management was necessary, but he had his opinion about what methods ought to be used.  That approach is much better than comments (<a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20795072-">like this one</a>) that argue that the &#8220;management&#8221; argument is a scare tactic. There are those who would claim we should just build a bigger pipe. But then you read <a href="http://www.contentagenda.com/articleXml/LN831928284.html">this quote from a Singapore ISP executive</a>: &#8220;Even buying more bandwidth will not work since stuff like BitTorrent is designed to gobble whatever extra bandwidth we buy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cerf specifically mentions that conversations with Comcast engineers have led him to a better understanding of the underlying motivation and rationale for that company&#8217;s network management decisions. As we often see, when people examine the capacity constraints we face and the unique challenges of running cable systems, it can contribute to the conversation.</p>
<p>Now that Cerf has confirmed that network management is a fact <em>and </em>a necessity, we can begin to have the broader dialogue about the network management that needs to take place.  Cerf argues the “how” of network management is the important piece of the puzzle, but I would suggest the “who” is even more critical – as in, “Who decides what network management practices are reasonable?”</p>
<p>Cerf argues that government should.  I think that is the wrong approach.  I think it makes more sense for engineers and companies to make those decisions, not government bureaucrats.  Those decisions should be based on what methods of network management might be most efficient and which ones would provide the best experience for the largest number of their customers.  They should not be based on the dreams and schemes of politicians.</p>
<p>I recently heard one of these people describe network congestion as akin to a mail truck being full. This kind of talk makes my head hurt.</p>
<p>I shudder to think of the regulations that would be dreamed up by the US Department of Network Management.</p>
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		<title>More Reactions to Comcast/BitTorrent Decision</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rodriguez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coverage of today&#8217;s meeting and some reaction to the decision&#8230; Richard Bennet of Broadband Politics: A sad day for the Internet Randolph J. May of the Free State Foundation: Hard Cases Make Bad Law: On Regulatory Bits and Torrents&#8211;Part II Barbara Esbin of The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation: Legally and Procedurally Suspect and Misguided as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coverage of today&#8217;s meeting and some reaction to the decision&#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li> Richard Bennet of <strong>Broadband Politics</strong>: <a href="http://bennett.com/blog/2008/08/a-sad-day-for-the-internet/">A sad day for the Internet</a></li>
<li>Randolph J. May of the <strong>Free State Foundation</strong>: <a href="http://freestatefoundation.blogspot.com/2008/07/hard-cases-make-bad-law-on-regulatory.html">Hard Cases Make Bad Law: On Regulatory Bits and Torrents&#8211;Part II</a></li>
<li>Barbara Esbin of <strong>The Progress &amp; Freedom Foundation</strong>: <a href="http://www.pff.org/news/news/2008/080108FCCcomcastdecision.html">Legally and Procedurally Suspect and Misguided as a Matter of Policy</a></li>
<li>Scott Cleland of <strong>The Precursor Blog</strong>: <a href="http://www.precursorblog.com/content/takeaways-fcc-decision-reasonable-network-management">Takeaways from FCC Decision on Reasonable Network Management</a></li>
<li>Cynthia Brumfield at <strong>IP Democracy</strong>: <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/003040fccs_copps_apply_net_neutrality_principles_to_wireless_carriers.php">FCC&#8217;s Copps: Apply Net Neutrality Principles to Wireless Carriers</a></li>
<li>Stacey Higginbotham at <strong>GigaOM</strong>: <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/08/01/fcc-punts-on-network-neutrality/">FCC Punts on Network Neutrality </a></li>
<li> Matthew Lasar at <strong>Ars Technica</strong>: <a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080801-reactions-to-fccs-comcast-spanking-come-fast-and-furious.html">Reactions to FCC&#8217;s Comcast decision come fast and furious</a></li>
<li>Drew Clark at <strong>Broadband Census</strong>: <a href="http://broadbandcensus.com/blog/?p=249">FCC Hammers Comcast For Deception and Unreasonable Internet Practices</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> Will Richmond at <strong>VideoNuze</strong>: <a href="http://www.videonuze.com/blogs/?2008-08-04/The-FCC-s-Comcast-Sanction-More-Problems-Fewer-Solutions-Ahead/">The FCC&#8217;s Comcast Sanction: More Problems, Fewer Solutions Ahead</a></p>
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		<title>NCTA Reaction to FCC Decision on Comcast/BitTorrent Complaint</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rodriguez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[During an Opening Meeting this morning, the FCC issued an adjudication in the matter of &#8220;Formal Complaint of Free Press and Public Knowledge Against Comcast Corporation for Secretly Degrading Peer-to-Peer Applications.&#8221; The FCC said that Comcast&#8217;s &#8220;degrading&#8221; of certain Internet content was in violation of &#8220;federal policies&#8221; and were against the policy of reasonable network [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During an Opening Meeting this morning, the FCC issued an adjudication in the matter of &#8220;Formal Complaint of Free Press and Public Knowledge Against Comcast Corporation for Secretly Degrading Peer-to-Peer Applications.&#8221; The FCC said that Comcast&#8217;s &#8220;degrading&#8221; of certain Internet content was in violation of &#8220;federal policies&#8221; and were against the policy of reasonable network management.</p>
<p>In response, the NCTA  has released the following statement from Kyle McSlarrow, our President &amp; CEO:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;One need look no further than today’s FCC decision for proof that engineering challenges on the Internet should be solved by engineers, not government officials.  In second-guessing reasonable network management techniques (with no notice or guidelines in place) that benefit the overwhelming number of broadband subscribers in America, the FCC has inexplicably elevated the interests of a few bandwidth hogs over everyone else.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As we further digest the decision, we will be following the reaction from others in the telecom policy sphere and will comment further and share what others are  saying.</p>
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		<title>Solving network challenges</title>
		<link>http://www.cabletechtalk.com/cable-companies/comcast/2008/07/28/solving-network-challenges/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rodriguez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Friday, the FCC will hold an Open Meeting and the first agenda item is the complaint by Free Press and Public Knowledge against Comcast. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal today, the agency &#8220;will rule that the cable giant violated federal policy by deliberately preventing some customers from sharing videos online [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Friday, <a href="http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-284078A1.pdf">the FCC will hold an Open Meeting</a> and the first agenda item is <a href="http://www.freepress.net/files/fp_pk_comcast_complaint.pdf">the complaint</a> by Free Press and Public Knowledge against Comcast. According to <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121720316961088595.html">an article in the  <em>Wall Street Journal</em> today</a>, the agency &#8220;will rule that the cable giant violated federal policy by deliberately preventing some customers from sharing videos online via file-sharing services like BitTorrent&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/broadband/2008/07/23/how-to-manage-network-management/">As I wrote just last week</a>, it&#8217;s critical that we can all agree with the principle that &#8220;<em>some</em> kind of network management is necessary to ensure a quality experience for our customers.&#8221; Once we get past that concept, we can discuss and debate what&#8217;s the best way to achieve the goal of a quality Internet experience, but we can hopefully also agree that the government is not the best body to make these decisions.</p>
<p>In this morning&#8217;s <em>Washington Post</em>, <a href="http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/mcdowell/">FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell</a> poses the question: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/27/AR2008072701172.html"><strong>Who Should Solve This Internet Crisis?</strong></a> He outlines past network challenges and describes how &#8220;engineers, academics, software developers, Web infrastructure builders and others&#8221; came together to find solutions. He then answers his own question.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Internet has flourished because it has operated under the principle  that engineers, not politicians or bureaucrats, should solve  engineering problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>P2P apps present particular challenges for <a href="http://www.michaelsinsight.com/2008/05/confessions-of.html">network managers</a>, as McDowell acknowledges, and just building bigger pipes doesn&#8217;t fix the problem. That&#8217;s not to say that this challenge (and others) can&#8217;t be addressed. McDowell points out that we need to avoid creating a bigger problem.</p>
<blockquote><p>Our Internet economy is the strongest in the world. It got that way not by government fiat but because interested parties worked together toward a common goal. As a worldwide network of networks, the Internet is the ultimate &#8220;wiki&#8221; environment &#8212; one that we all share, build, pay for and shape. Millions endeavor each day to keep it open and free. Since its early days as a government creation, it has migrated away from government regulation.</p>
<p>If we choose regulation over collaboration, we will be setting a precedent by thrusting politicians and bureaucrats into engineering decisions.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>How to manage network management</title>
		<link>http://www.cabletechtalk.com/broadband/2008/07/23/how-to-manage-network-management/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rodriguez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may recall last week’s discussion of network management, provoked by our FCC filing. Michael Willner also posted about this issue, which then garnered some interesting comments from the likes of George Ou and Robb Topolski. It’s a good idea to take a look at the whole thing, because it illustrates an important point.  I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may   recall <a href="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/ncta-actions/2008/07/16/consideration-like-an-angel-came/" title="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/ncta-actions/2008/07/16/consideration-like-an-angel-came/">last   week’s discussion of network management</a>, provoked by our FCC filing. Michael   Willner <a href="http://www.michaelsinsight.com/2008/07/willners-epic-d.html" title="http://www.michaelsinsight.com/2008/07/willners-epic-d.html">also posted   about this issue</a>, which then garnered <a href="http://www.michaelsinsight.com/2008/07/willners-epic-d.html#comments" title="http://www.michaelsinsight.com/2008/07/willners-epic-d.html#comments">some   interesting comments</a> from the likes of George Ou and Robb   Topolski.</p>
<p>It’s a good   idea to take a look at the whole thing, because it illustrates an important   point.  I hope we made the argument sufficiently in <a href="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/ncta-actions/2008/07/16/consideration-like-an-angel-came/" title="http://www.cabletechtalk.com/ncta-actions/2008/07/16/consideration-like-an-angel-came/">our   post</a> that <em>some</em> kind of network management is necessary to ensure a quality   experience for our customers.  This online discussion illustrates that achieving this is a   complex issue. Almost any decision requires you to balance pros and cons.   It’s complicated and it’s not clear what the correct path is, which then probably requires   a period of some experimentation.</p>
<p>Given all   of that, why would you want to put a government agency in charge of deciding   what particular method of management should be used?  Or worse, have it decide that no   methods of management can be used at all?</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Consideration like an angel came&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Rodriguez</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There’s a very amusing picture painted of NCTA on Ars Technica, literally Shakespearean in nature. &#8220;Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more,&#8221; cried William Shakespeare&#8217;s Henry V in the play so titled. &#8220;Or close the wall up with our English dead!&#8221; Perhaps in said spirit did the National Cable and Television [sic] Association [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a <a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080716-martin-be-damned-cable-isps-want-network-management-freedom.html">very amusing picture painted of NCTA on Ars Technica</a>, literally <a href="http://shakespeare.mit.edu/henryv/henryv.3.1.html">Shakespearean</a> in nature.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more,&#8221; cried William Shakespeare&#8217;s <em>Henry V</em> in the play so titled. &#8220;Or close the wall up with our English dead!&#8221; Perhaps in said spirit did the National Cable and Television <em>[sic]</em> Association (NCTA) veep Michael Schooler and Insight CEO Michael Willner march up to the eighth floor of the Federal Communications Commission on the ninth of July to plead the cause of ISP &#8220;network management&#8221;&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Taken in conjunction with <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Dont-Fear-The-Bandwidth-Apocalypse-96115?nocomment=1">yesterday&#8217;s post on DSL Reports</a>, it sounds like we painted a portrait of <a href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-6/">Biblical apocalypse</a>. NCTA&#8217;s own Michael Schooler and Insight&#8217;s <a href="http://www.michaelsinsight.com/">Michael Willner</a> supposedly warned of &#8220;the impending destruction of the Internet by P2P users.&#8221; Or else we said &#8220;that the Internet would all but collapse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow! That sure sounds scary. But since neither <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/useremail/u/141383">Karl Bode</a> nor <a href="http://arstechnica.com/authors.ars/Matthew+Lasar">Matthew Lasar</a> was actually at that meeting, they instead apparently based their accounts on a letter we filed. If you <a href="http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&amp;id_document=6520033981">read it for yourself</a>, you find that four points were made.</p>
<ul>
<li>Network management is necessary to prevent serious congestion.</li>
<li>Service for customers would be degraded without such management.</li>
<li>    Network upgrades alone won&#8217;t solve problem.</li>
<li>    The government should not pre-determine the tools and technology to be used for network management.</li>
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<p>So I ask: Which of these four points are in contention?  The <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20794499-A-word-on-QOS-and-prioritization">DSL Reports post even says</a> &#8220;Most techs don&#8217;t oppose reasonable network management (booting extreme gluttons, some QOS and prioritization)&#8230;&#8221; So, we can start by agreeing that reasonable network management is a good thing. Without <em>some</em> kind of management, problems will arise.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at service degradation. Was complete congestion claimed? The phrase used is &#8220;can cause substantial (and sometimes complete) congestion of the system’s upload capacity.&#8221;  Let&#8217;s emphasize three key words: <strong>can</strong>, <strong>sometimes</strong> and <strong>upload</strong>. This is critical, because peer-to-peer applications are the focus of attention.</p>
<p>This goes to the point about simply upgrading a network. A peer-to-peer application looks for users with the best upload connection. Building a bigger pipe does not eliminate the necessity of network management.</p>
<p>Finally, is the federal government really the best body to judge what network management tools are appropriate? I&#8217;m not convinced it is. Nor am I convinced that the answer is a big dumb pipe that treats all bits equally, whether it&#8217;s a phone call, streaming video, a P2P download, an e-mail, or a Web page request. And anybody who actually understands how networks work wouldn&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>Both of these posts claim that we are crying “Armageddon!” for nefarious reasons. But should nothing be done at all? We want to give our customers the best Internet experience possible, now and in the future, and we need network management to accomplish that goal.</p>
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